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Post by eobversion1 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:08 am

Yeah, that rumour has been floating around for a while. It will happen just a matter of when.
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Post by AndyF1069 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:00 pm

Christ on a bike. What did I just experience?
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Post by AndyF1069 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:54 pm

Oh man. My heart was pounding so much throughout. From excitement, anticipation and dread. I was doing full on toothy grins quite a lot from comedy, from appreciation of certain scenes and from the spectacle. 152 minutes absolutely flew by. Didn't feel all that long at all. I was hooked from start to finish. I need time to process how I feel about it overall and how it ranks in my mind to the other movies.
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Re: Star Wars

Post by eobversion1 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:40 pm

I really liked it you almost don't know where to begin. There's a lot of movie there. Too much movie in a lot of ways. You'd wonder where the runway is for Episode IX is they did so much in this movie.
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Re: Star Wars

Post by eobversion1 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:10 pm

The Last Jedi seems to be dividing opinion somewhat which is so confusing to me. The fans can have safe movies or movies that take risks but they can't have both they have to fucking choose. I guess they want safe movies if they can't handle a different take on Star Wars. To be clear I don't think the Force Awakens was a safe movie but it came down on the safe side. The Last Jedi is being crucified by the fandom for coming down on the risky side. Jesus Christ make up your mind on what you want people.
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Re: Star Wars

Post by eobversion1 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:52 am

I could not be more disappointed by the reaction to Star Wars: The Last Jedi. It's why we can't have nice things and why we're doomed to sit through anodyne studio movies like Avengers Age of Ultron from now until eternity.
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Post by Mafwanix » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:27 am

I'm finding the "controversy" over SW:TLJ somewhat entertaining in itself.

I was going to try and avoid spoilers, but in the week since it's release, there have been literally thousands of user comments posted on places like IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes and the myriad of Star Wars fan sites, as well as dozens of You Tube rants. I couldn't help myself, and started reading/listening to many of them.

I've put off seeing it for now. I'm not fond of going to the theater anymore, and I think I've read/heard enough to persuade me to wait for the disc release, rather than waste money on a single viewing. Not wait for it to hit the bargain bin, that may never happen. Disney knows parents will buy their products for their kiddies no matter what, and is notorious for keeping prices elevated.

I notice it seems most of the positive comments are rather general, but the negative comments are pretty specific about plot points. I don't consider myself a fanboy; no SW toys or collectables in my house, just a pile of books. So the storyline is my main interest. Disney threw away 30 years of EU stories, are they giving us a worthy replacement?

It is interesting to note someone has a petition up, to have this movie removed from Star Wars Canon. Talk about rabid fans!

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Post by eobversion1 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:27 am

It's like a reverse DCEU fan debate. Instead of a sect of fans praising it and critics thrashing the film, it's the other way around.

Ultimately, you have to reckon with these people going to them and say "hey, we can't give you nostalgia for nostalgia's sake or predictable movies forever we have to create new memories" part of it is explicitly stated in the film. I can understand why elements of the film would be frustrating for people but I couldn't care less. It adds a sense of mystery to the universe again which is exciting.
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Post by El Canuck » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:15 am

So, I saw The Last Jedi tonight. I LOVED it.
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Post by eobversion1 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:27 am

A future classic to be sure.
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Post by El Canuck » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:32 pm

I just don't understand the outright vehemence shown toward the Last Jedi by much of the Twitter and Reddit Star Wars fanbase. I mean, is it the greatest film of all time? No, but was A New Hope or Empire for that matter? I love the original trilogy as much as anyone and they're fantastic movies, but were they perfect? Are they such masterpieces that anything with the name Star Wars attached that came after is immediately garbage for daring to exist in the same world as the original trilogy? I'm seeing such a ridiculously high amount of petty vitriol that it's making me reconsider my position on the prequel trilogy. Maybe those aren't as bad as I remember and I was just a stupid teenager/early twenty something caught up in the popular rage against the prequels at the time. Although, they did drive Jake Lloyd insane, so maybe they were genuinely bad. There's also no way Jar Jar gets better with age either.

Is the hate because of the progressive nature of having women in the driving roles? Is it because of the abandonment of the extended universe? Because if it's either of them, fanboys gotta get the fuck over it. Women can be every bit the heroes and leaders that men can and if you don't believe me, look at the real world. The extended universe material still exists, it's not as though Disney sent out storm troopers to eradicate every copy of the EU books and comics. You can still read them and enjoy them, they're not any less for not being the vision of the movie makers anymore. Just think of them as an alternate timeline.

What else can it be? Plot holes? Need I remind people that A New Hope had such a gaping plothole that Rogue One was made forty years later to finally explain it away? (And to undoubtedly answer the question "what would happen if George R.R. Martin wrote a Star Wars screenplay?") Is it the helpers and porgs on Luke's hermit island? Because spoiler alert, the god damn Ewoks are no better once you take off the rose coloured glasses. It's Luke, isn't it? They expected 66 year old Mark Hamill's character to show up and do what, exactly? Be a clone of Obi Wan? Completely overshadow Rey and take over as the hero of the story? Honestly, people, can't we just be happy that we've gotten three more perfectly fun and enjoyable Star Wars movies in the past three years? (TFA, R1, TLJ)
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Re: Star Wars

Post by Mafwanix » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:38 am

I am still going to wait for the disc release of TLJ. It is looking like it might not be all that long of a wait, since the film, despite making a fair amount of money, has basically underperformed Disney's expectations at the box office. It fell short of The Force Awakens box office numbers. The Hollywood Reporter also stated it underperformed in China. It did OK, but not up to expectations, despite, as some claim, having a new character in the story primarily to appeal to the Chinese audience. And Forbes reports Star Wars merchandise sales this holiday season is down 47% from the last two previous years.

This film might wind up in the bargain bin afterall.

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Re: Star Wars

Post by eobversion1 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:29 am

I couldn't agree more Nucks. There's definitely a wrong way of going about taking a franchise in a new direction but The Last Jedi wasn't that. Had they done a safe job the reaction would have been even worse. What made GOT a hit is that it didn't rely on myth fulfilment to thrill fans (although later seasons are leaning in that) it was the Myth deconstruction and subversion that wrongfooted and elated them throughout. The reaction to the prequels and the legacy of the originals arguably couched the image of Star Wars in a quagmire that Lucasfilm wants to dig it out of, The Last Jedi was the perfect way to do that.

There is a segment of people that should accept that getting what you want in the way that you want it won't allow the thing they love to live on and let its legacy grow as a piece of epic storytelling.
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Re: Star Wars

Post by AndyF1069 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:42 pm

I've noticed over the last few years that the cool thing to do is to post the comment that will get all of the likes or the thumbs up. I think that a lot of the criticism given in general to products is exaggerated just for the gratification of having a popular post. I compare it to John Cena hate in wrestling. Hating him was the cool thing to do for a niche product. Now hating is the cool thing to do across all genres and Roman Reigns is a victim of that same mentality. Post a bad comment: get a like or thumbs up. Social Media is changing the world and not always in a good way.
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Re: Star Wars

Post by AndyF1069 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:57 pm

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